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Lamar Jackson is the best dual threat QB of all time

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    I'm no fan of Michael Vick, but he is usually the first name you think of when you think of elite NFL QBs that could run the ball like a running back, i.e. dual threat QBs. Basically the best running QB in NFL history. But the knock on his game that most agree with is he wasn't a great throwing QB.

    And the numbers bare that out. He played in 143 games from 2001-2015 where he completed only 56.2% of his passes. That's not good, borderline terrible. Good QBs are at least in the 60% percentile. And the great QBS complete on avg in their career 65-68%.

    But since he was such a duel and unique threat, most forgave Vick for not being a great thrower. He avg 42.7 rushing yards a game. That's pretty incredible. And 6.1 yards per attempt over his career, outdoing a slew of actual NFL running backs.

    Now we have other QBs that should be in this conversation of best dual threat QBS ever: Steve Young, Frank Tarkenton, Randall Cunningham are three of the best ever not currently playing. Then I would definitely put Cam Newton and Russell Wilson firmly in that conversation.

    And now we have Lamar Jackson. I don't think it's going out on too far a limb to say he is on pace to be the best dual threat NFL quarterback of all time. Lamar has only played in 27 NFL games, but his numbers are staggering to look at:

    He is averaging 58.2 yards rushing per game (better than Vick's career), avg 5.8 yards per carry (but 7.1 yards per attempt in his second season). And more impressive, his passing #s - he is completing 63.8% of his passes (66.9% in 2019 so far) and averaging 7.7 yards per throw (both of those are elite stats for any QB, any season.)

    What prompted me to write this thread is that Lamar Jackson is 9th in the NFL in rushing through Week 12 in 2019. He is 9TH in the whole league in rushing, barely behind Ezekiel Elliott and Chris Carson. And he is currently 27th in passing yards, but look at the totality of those numbers: 66.9% completion rate, 2,427 yards thrown with 24 TDs and only 5 picks.

    Vick's best season throwing the ball was 2010, with 21 TDS and 6 picks, with 3018 yards. In that same year, he avg 56.3 yards per carry. So Lamar is outpacing Vick in every single category, even if you cherry pick Vick's most impressive year.

    Barring injuries I think Lamar Jackson has the real opportunity to become thought of as the greatest dual threat QB to ever play the game. I love Young, Tarktenton and Cunningham, but none of them were a consistent top 10 RB in the league AND one of the best throwing QBs in the league simultaneously.

    I'm not saying he is the best QB ever. But when it comes to defenses having to respect and game plan for a QBs throwing and running game, he is currently on pace to outdo every QB in the NFL's 100+ history.

    What do you think? Where does Lamar currently rank and do you agree he can be the best dual threat QB ever?

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    I don't think there's much of a debate to be had here. Jackson is a hell of a player who should be in the top five on everyone's NFL MVP list. A quarterback also has the 9th most running yards in the entire league?! That's just insane.

    If he stays healthy then he most certainly will become the best dual threat quarterback in league history.

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    This guy is truly an impressive NFL player. I'm not a huge football fan so forgive me for the following question. Since you've said that he could become the greatest dual threat QB to ever play the game. And given that dual threats are rather rare in comparison to what you'd consider a standard QB. How would this stack up against every other QB who've been considered some of the best to have ever played? What I'm asking here is how much of an edge does being a dual threat QB give to a player when being compared to all other quarter backs?
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    JFoster Wrote: This guy is truly an impressive NFL player. I'm not a huge football fan so forgive me for the following question. Since you've said that he could become the greatest dual threat QB to ever play the game. And given that dual threats are rather rare in comparison to what you'd consider a standard QB. How would this stack up against every other QB who've been considered some of the best to have ever played? What I'm asking here is how much of an edge does being a dual threat QB give to a player when being compared to all other quarter backs?

    Great question. So what I hear a lot on local radio here in Dallas is football is all about deception. A team has 11 players on offense facing off against 11 players on defense. The goal is to scheme your offensive play calling to deceive the opponent's defense just enough to get more points than the other team, basically.

    And the defense is doing the same thing. They are calling and executing plays to confuse the other team.

    So an offense can give off the illusion they are going to pass the ball, trick the defense into defending a pass by pulling their men toward receivers, and then run the ball. Or vice versa. The QB has the ability to make a defense look really foolish if he can consistently keep the defense guessing and feeling like they have to be ready for anything.

    A traditional QB, say like Tom Brady, while brilliant at what he does, presents less of a confusing threat to opposing defenses because he doesn't have the athleticism to take off and run with the ball like a running back on any given play. But a dual threat QB like Lamar Jackson does.

    Lamar poses a really annoying challenge to defenses - he can hand the ball off to his running back, throw the ball down the field OR he can keep the ball himself and run it just like a running back. So three options instead of the traditional 2 options defenses usually have to game plan for.

    Many QBs over the years have had the ability to take off and run, but its not a main part of their game. With Lamar, he is extraordinarily good at it, and Baltimore knows this and embraces it, meaning he will do it 8-20 times a game. A serious headache for opposing defenses to game plan for because the Ravens can now scheme up so much more deception.

    Finally Lamar is showing he is very good at passing outside the pocket. Traditional QBs until just recently have been known as more 'pocket passers', again like Tom Brady - a QB that's not particularly great at running around behind the line of scrimmage and resetting his feet to pass the ball. If you are only a pocket passer, you are limited to the kinds of throws you can make. Lamar is not limited in any respect. He can do it all. So he poses a great threat to all defenses that have to try and game plan for him.

    Dual threat QBs can be gimmicky unless the QB is special. Michael Vick was a better runner than passer. Same for Cam Newton in my opinion. But if you get a special guy like Lamar that excels in both... who knows... he could be the best ever. Not just the best dual threat QB, but simply the best QB ever. Time will tell, and we will see if defenses adjust accordingly to his game or not.

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    Ah. Got it. I was sort of thinking something along those lines. Lamar is considered exceptional among other dual threat QB's because he not only can pass, but pass outside the pocket, yet he can run the ball a the same time, making him even more of a head ache for the defense than other dual threat QB's in the past, giving him the potential to be one of the best to have ever played.
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    JFoster Wrote: Ah. Got it. I was sort of thinking something along those lines. Lamar is considered exceptional among other dual threat QB's because he not only can pass, but pass outside the pocket, yet he can run the ball a the same time, making him even more of a head ache for the defense than other dual threat QB's in the past, giving him the potential to be one of the best to have ever played.

    Exactly! Check this out: Lamar Jackson Is Out Here Breaking Ankles!